[MHml] Cat vs. Tri

Capt. Len trikini23 at trikini.com
Sat Nov 4 07:15:39 EST 2006 

By specification:

IYRU "D" 500 sq ft  no other restrictions

By Task

The original OSTAR.  Singlehanded  across the Atlantic.  First to finish

By Course.

The original Speedweek  fastest between point A and B on an ideal course 
in sheltered water.

A Speed Circle  Fastest Elapsed time.

Could be others like A $ limit but is a builder with wholesale and 
advantage over someone that has to buy retail.  If you live in Seattle 
and can get Boeing discards or can salvage.  Tough one.

Make everyone provide retail bills of all components and only labor is 
free or like some novelty races with cardboard boats and maybe soapbox 
racing, you get a set of sails and a spar, or a hull and do what you 
want with it depending if your interest is  rig or hull.


then you get into skill levels of the sailor , I have lost to a slower 
boat as have many others.

So I guess if the rule takes more then 12 words to define and/or 
contains, except or but is not open

len

Rob Denney wrote:

>G'day,
>
>So, define an open rule for us.
>
>regards,
>
>Rob
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>From: "Capt. Len" <trikini23 at trikini.com>
>To: "Informed discussion of multihull issues" <multihulls at steamradio.com>
>Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 9:55 PM
>Subject: Re: [MHml] Cat vs. Tri
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>>See what I said.  To many special interest people putting forward to
>>ever permit a true open rule.
>>
>>If was really open, then I think you would get  answers to all these
>>special interests not limit it by defining one area.
>>
>>Even sail area is a tough one, with wing masts, wing sails ( soft and
>>hard) and kites all defining area differently.
>>
>>And we haven't even touched on courses yet .
>>
>>Was so nice back in 1960's when no one knew anything and we were open to
>>anything.
>>
>>len
>>
>>
>>Rob Denney wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>G'day,
>>>
>>>Interesting, but it forces a sloop rig which may  type form the boat.
>>>For example, an unstayed mast with no jib does not need a forestay,
>>>nor the extra beefing up that the entire hull needs to take that
>>>forestay.  Also, on a proa, sheeting a jib is a tad tricky (no deck to
>>>leeward) unless you use a ballestron boom, which is good, but not
>>>ideal for a race oriented boat.
>>>
>>>Plus, I would like to know a lot more about rig optimisation than is
>>>currently evident.    Is it just sail area/righting moment
>>>considerations, or is one definitely superior.  What is the ideal
>>>aspect ratio and plan form if righting moment is allowed to be very
>>>      
>>>
>large?
>  
>
>>>regards,
>>>
>>>Rob
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    ----- Original Message -----
>>>    *From:* Jesse Deupree <mailto:jdeupree at maine.rr.com>
>>>    *To:* Informed discussion of multihull issues
>>>    <mailto:multihulls at steamradio.com>
>>>    *Sent:* Friday, November 03, 2006 7:46 PM
>>>    *Subject:* Re: [MHml] Cat vs. Tri
>>>
>>>
>>>    On Nov 3, 2006, at 12:01 AM, Rob Denney wrote:
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>    G'day,
>>>>
>>>>    The J24 rig would be a challenge due to the stays, although not
>>>>    an insurmountable one, and if that was the rule, I would
>>>>    certainly design and build a boat to race under it.   However,  I
>>>>    (as both a proa fan and an interested person) would prefer the
>>>>    rule to stipulate just the sail area, including spars.  This
>>>>    would help answer the sloop vs una rig question as well as the
>>>>    hull size and shape questions.  Perhaps a maximum of 20% of the
>>>>    total to be the spars to keep it relevant, cheap and easy to
>>>>    handle.
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>    Fair enough- rule is modified to just require sails fit inside
>>>    triangles made by class rule forestay and backstay, and certainly
>>>    shunting would be fair. This particular rule is designed to test
>>>    boat design, hence the one-design rig and sails. A Rule that just
>>>    said xxx sq. feet of sail tests sail design and boat design
>>>
>>>    The idea of a J24 rig is just to pick something easy and obvious
>>>    and possibly cheap. The idea of a $5,000 claim is to keep someone
>>>    from trying too hard (show up and win with something too fancy
>>>    costing $20,000 and someone will buy it. Show up with a winner
>>>    that cost you less than $5,000 and someone might buy it- your
>>>      
>>>
>choice.)
>  
>
>>>    Jesse Deupree
>>>    F-27 ION
>>>    Portland Maine
>>>
>>>      
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